MORE MOSQUE MADNESS

BERLIN — German authorities say they have closed a Hamburg mosque used by the Sept. 11 attackers as a meeting place before they moved to the United States. A statement by Hamburg officials says the Taiba mosque was shut down and its cultural association was banned on Monday.

The prayer house, formerly known as al-Quds mosque, used to be a meeting and recruiting point for some of the Sept. 11 attackers.

Weekly news magazine Focus cites a report by a local intelligence agency branch in saying the mosque has again become the city’s “main center of attraction for the jihad scene.” It says some members who belonged to the Taiba group and prayed at the mosque have moved on to a radical training camp in Uzbekistan.

Well I have to say I NEVER saw that one coming. I mean who would believe the President of the United States (BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA) would weigh in on the side of insensitive Muslims in their quest to build a mosque on the site of one of the greatest atrocities ever committed on American soil? (knowing that said atrocity was committed by Muslims) duh. Shocked? Not me.

Look I’ve said my piece on this subject. There is not one ounce of credibility to the argument that allowing this Mosque to be built on what is essentially a national place of mourning is somehow a sign that we as a society are “tolerant” of all religions. The three THOUSAND other Mosques in America already prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. Allowing this Mosque to be constructed in the shadows of Ground Zero is however a sign of weakness, cowardice, appeasement and out of control political correctness.

This isn’t about religious freedom or anything remotely related. Don’t forget right here in Pennsylvania the Pennsylvania Dutch are a religious order largely removed from everyday society. Their quaint horse-drawn buggies are a fixture on rural Pennsylvania roads and along with some of their quirky practices (like not driving cars but riding in cars driven by others) they are an accepted part of everyday life. As AMERICANS WE ALREADY PROFOUNDLY TOLERANT PEOPLE. We don’t have to accept a Mosque at GROUND ZERO to pacify Islamic radicals (who will never be pacified in any event) to fortify our bona fides in this department. If anything it’s the Islamic world that is wholly INTOLERANT of any other religion and totally unconcerned with offending anyone as this plan demonstrates.

Douglas Murray sums it up better than I ever could in this outstanding article from the Daily Beast:

It is not illegal, and nor should it be illegal, to pray in a building of your choice to whatever god you pick. But, as with the claims for minaret building in Switzerland, more is being demanded by Muslims. In point of fact, Muslims do not have to pray in a building with a tall tower that spoils the surrounding landscape. Nor do they have to pray in a large purpose-built multiplex in a place that treads very painfully across many peoples’ raw grief.

If the people who are building the ground zero mosque cared about improving Islam’s image, they would have taken their mosque elsewhere. If they cared about cultural sensitivities, reciprocity or freedom of religion, then they wouldn’t be trying to provoke people by building a mega-mosque at ground zero.

The very idea is stupid and offensive. Needlessly provocative, needlessly offensive or, at the very best, entirely needlessly thoughtless.

We should take a page from Germany’s play book. They’re not consumed with the hand wringing and self-immolation that American style political correctness leads to. They recognize that some Mosques are being used to hatch future plots against the West and they move in and shut them down. No one dares criticize them. Why? They realize that historically Mosques function as more than places to gather and worship, rather as places to plot and wage war from.

There is no question that some of our political “leaders” including the President (who claimed to want to “Unite” America) and the insipid NY Mayor Michael Bloomberg are completely out of step with the American public on this issue. Yet they continue to rub salt in the festering wounds of 911. THAT’S INSENSITIVE. Those behind this atrocity care little about the sensitivities of average Americans nor does our President. Once again he is in lock step agreement with our enemies.

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13 Responses to MORE MOSQUE MADNESS

  1. madmike59 says:

    My post today too Mosque there is BS

  2. Islamaphobe… 🙂

  3. Andrew says:

    Obama’s next endorsement: Bushido Monument next to the U.S.S. Arizona.

  4. Randal Graves says:

    “…President of the United States would weigh in on the side of insensitive Muslims in their quest to build a mosque on the site of one of the greatest atrocities ever committed on American soil?”

    Wow, two ‘facts’ in this sentence are untrue. Good spin, I mean work.

  5. REALLY? I’m all ears on this one… but first:

    George Demos, the Conservative Republican Candidate for Congress in New York’s First Congressional District issued the following statement on the proposed mosque amid the sacred ruins of Ground Zero and expressed outrage at our own government’s refusal to rebuild the only house of worship that was actually destroyed on September 11th- the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church.

    George Demos said:

    “On September 11, 2001, over 3,000 Americans, including 168 residents of our community in Suffolk County, were taken from us by the evil acts of Islamic extremists bent on destroying our freedoms. Amid the thick smoke and choking ashes of that fateful day, the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church was reduced to dust.

    Since 1922, St. Nicholas Church had stood as a quiet sanctuary of prayer and reflection amidst the tumultuous and bustling crossroads of commerce. For nine years the Port Authority of New York/New Jersey has used bureaucratic obstacles and false promises to hinder the rebuilding of the St. Nicholas Church. This must end and it must end now.

    What an outrage that our government has put roadblocks in the path of its own citizens trying rebuild their beloved Church destroyed by Islamic extremists, while Saudi Arabia, a nation that prohibits people from even wearing a Cross or the Star of David, now provokes the families of those who lost loved ones by apparently funneling money to build a mosque at the same location.

    http://usa.greekreporter.com/2010/07/23/st-nicholas-of-manhattan-in-ruins-while-mosque-rises/

    • Randal Graves says:

      1. “President of the United States would weigh in ON THE SIDE of insensitive Muslims” – he didn’t “weigh in” on their side. He said they have the “right to practice their religion” and “the right to build a place of worship”. He didn’t say, either way, whether he favors its construction. Typical Captain America: refusing to defend the Constitution when it doesn’t favor his argument.

      2. “to build a mosque on the site” – it’s not ON the site; stop lying to your readers.

      oh, and for good measure: “proposed mosque amid the sacred ruins of Ground Zero” – not true, not amid. Amid: in the middle of; surrounded by; among. Amid doesn’t mean down the street from or two blocks away from.

  6. Randal Graves says:

    “our own government’s refusal to rebuild the only house of worship”

    not quite true either. You should do a little more research on the subject before forming a concrete opinion. Based on the information available, it’s possible that both sides are to blame. Perhaps the church was being greedy and wanted more than the $20 million they were promised? Maybe the PA of NY/NJ just hate Greek Orthodox people in general? Maybe it’s all GW’s fault? (oh, sorry, that last one is a Repubs. cookie-cutter response.)

  7. This building is two blocks from where the towers USED TO BE. The debris field from this atrocity was clearly large enough that building a Mosque there is a desecreation / provocation. They found body parts in every direction after 911, some HUNDREDS OF FEET AWAY. So in my OPINION and the OPINION of 69% of the American people this site lies AMID the the area that people would consider sensitive. I don’t have to lie to anyone. Everyone is free to check the articals I refer to as they are always linked in the same fashion. Fact of the matter is 9 years later and the Church isn’t rebuilt but the Mosque is on the fast track to be opened on- you guessed it, 9-11. No, that’s no provocation. In fact that’s entirely culturally sensitive to Americans.

    And just stop already with defending Obama. He took the side of radical Muslims against Americans in this instance. He could have championed freedom of religion all the while passionately discouraging them from building on this site.(A no brainer unless you want to piss a lot of people off). He didn’t do that. He claims to want to build bridges. BS. He threw his own people under the bus and sided with a radical Muslim cleric over the families of DEAD AMERICANS. Where is the compassion? The families of the dead Americans deserve the compassion and the understanding, not the Muslim radicals in this case. Liberalism is really a sickness.
    Honestly, don’t you ever get tired of defending the J.O.? Just for once wouldn’t you like to argue from a position of strength? Just once?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/nyregion/03trade.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Bagli,%20Charles%20V

    • Randal Graves says:

      First of all, I’m not defending Obama. I am defending the Constitution and Bill of Rights, something that you only do when it helps your cause (e.g. guns).

      “amid the sacred ruins of Ground Zero”.

      The church and the mosque are apples and oranges AND this CLEARLY shows why the mosque is not “amid the sacred ruins of Ground Zero”. The procedures being taken to build the mosque are the same procedures used by anyone in NYC: get permits, zoning, etc., start building.

      The church is clearly “amid the sacred ruins of Ground Zero” which is why the Port Auth. of NY/NJ is involved. There appears to be the typical back-and-worth a-hole politics between the church and the Port Auth and I’d bet that money is the primary factor in this deadlock. I have no idea whose right/wrong, either do you.

      “…building a Mosque there is a desecration / provocation…” Why do you keep bringing this up? I have yet to see/read one person on your blog, myself included, who thinks building the mosque is the “proper” thing to do. If I disagree with the Constitution regarding gun control, I’m anti-American. If I defend the Constitution regarding ANY religion, I’m anti-American. Make up your mind.

      • Dustoff says:

        First of all, I’m not defending Obama.
        +++++++++++++++

        Bull.

        O-bummer should have kept his trap shut. Just like the police officer arresting his friend.

        O-bummer can’t help but act stupidly! (his words)

      • Your gun control arguement is a straw man. The BILL of RIGHTS backed by the courts spells out those rights. If local governments attempt to infringe those rights I certainly object. Where is the problem?
        It also spells out the freedom of the press, religion et all. In fact GUNS ARE WELL REGULATED by thousands of laws, so I don’t know what else you want. Maybe a total ban in violation of the second amendment? Liberals often advocate bans as wasy to impose their will on everyone else. Like a ban of free speech (fairness doctrine).
        Ironic but typical of a liberal. Ban what YOU don’t like in the Constitution because liberals know what’s good for everyone else, just look at this administration.
        Parts of the Mosque site were hit by debris from the jets that were used in the attack. So for all intents and purposes it’s too close for a Muslim victory shrine.
        I always defend the Constitution AS IT WAS WRITTEN not how liberals want to twist it. This is only a religious coutry when liberals defend Muslims. Not when Christians want a Statue in a court house. It’s ok to use fire trucks to Baptise people though.
        When you decide what version of the Constitution you adhear to let me know.

      • Randal Graves says:

        You used the word “liberal” 5 times in that little rant; typical for an political extremist.

        I’m dead nuts on regarding your selective defense of the Constitution/Bill of Rights/Declar of Ind. and you know it. All of your earlier rants focused on the fact the government shouldn’t allow them to build the mosque NEAR Ground Zero. Once you were proven wrong due to the fact that these people are protected by the Bill of Rights, you started to change your tune to it’s disrespectful to build it there; all of the legal grounds/reasons suddenly vanished.

        The fact of the matter is, and has always been, they have every right and are protected by law to build the mosque NEAR Ground Zero. Many people don’t want it there and perhaps that’s a reason for them to move it. The majority of the people in the country (and NYC more importantly) don’t really care where it’s built. There are 8 million people in NYC. The biggest protest we’ve seen was lucky to have 800 people there, 0.01% of the population.

        There are family members of some victims that are okay with it.

        Most people have more important things to worry about right now like putting food on the table and keeping a roof over their head in this shitty economy. Psycho Republicans are looking for something to rally behind for November elections. You’d think they’d already have enough ammunition with the economy, health care, etc.; instead they’d rather re-open wounds for their political benefit.

  8. Liberal- if the shoe fits wear it… proudly. I never said there were any LEGAL GROUNDS to stop it, as I pointed out to you previously. Of course it is their right. I also said the government could do things, (methods) to keep it from happening based on lack of community support (eminant domain for example) which is legal. Just like I argued with my Union that the Mayor could close firehouses if he wanted. It is well within his power. They didn’t listen. The fought it to the PA Supreme Court and lost. Even the President who you back on this issue said it was a local issue (even though he chimed in on it).
    You almost started making sense about halfway through but you lost it again. YOU are the guy who constantly DEFENDS EVERYTHING THESE ASSHOLE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS DO NOT ME.
    I don’t agree with the liberal policies of the Democrat party, don’t you get it? They have destroyed my city (the one you openly admitted fleeing), they are destroying my job, and they are now DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY with the same failed social and economic policies that created Newark, Camden, Detroit, Baltimore California, Michigan, New York, New Jersey. Any more examples needed? Show me ONE failed REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLD!
    69% of Americans don’t want this Mosque and see it for what it is- a provocationan and an insult. The fact that ANYONE came out in protest this in NYC, one of the PC capitals of the world is amazing at all.
    I guess your right. We should all worry about nothing but putting food on the table. That way we won’t have to watch what Obama and the liberals are doing to this country. Maybe YOUR President should do something about the economy like stop spending us into further bankrupcy with big government bailouts and give-aways. I know, we can all be sheep. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa.
    Once again who is right- Harry Reid or Obama? I support Harry Reid on THIS position. Guess by your Constitutional argument I’m now a flaming liberal.

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